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away from the so called fiscal cliff. a drastic combination of mandatory spending cuts and tax hikes that could plunge the united states back into a recession. while there are plenty of hard w0rds from both sides, some terms of a possible zeal are making the rounds. kate bolduan has been following the back and fourth. >> don't get too excited about that, there's only one way to avoid the fiscal cliff. spending cuts and tax hikes. house republicans and president obama need to strike a deal on reducing the national debt. they have soundly rejected a white house offer that included $1.6 trillion in revenue, $400 billion in medicare and other entitlement savings, as well as a permanent increase in the debt limit among other things. so far, the rhetoric has not softened. treasury secretary tim geithner arriving on capitol hill for high level talks, most notably with house speaker john boehner. >> good morning, everyone. >> how did it go? just listen. >> despite the claims that the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious. about real spending cuts. >> a
! >> eric: yes, the dreaded fiscal cliff. tax hike, spending cut and sequestion ration, whatever they are. belly flop the economy at once. comfortabling the know that d.c. is on top of it all. alex simpson, former senator and the guy that everyone thinks is a lifeguard at the fiscal pool. ♪ ♪ >> eric: okay, beckel is gangnam style. good to know we're in good hands but get serious, folks. >> any word from karl rove? >> despite what we're telling you, it's over. romney lost. >> i guess it's time i explain, the good people, the upcoming fiscal cliff. >> the economy is the car and rich sman a driver. don't give the driver many. they will drive you over a cliff. just common sense. >> eric: not exactly. the only way to save the republic is for us to let the president go off the fiscal cliff. taxes will go up. but mandatory spending cuts get enacted. that seems to be the only way dems will cut a dime. let's save the place for the kids. do you agree? >> greg: i do. >> bob: i think you're crazy. >> greg: funny that bob and i agree but for different reasons. fiscal cliff is a horrible med fore.
the president go off the fiscal cliff. taxes will go up. but mandatory spending cuts get enacted. that seems to be the only way dems will cut a dime. let's save the place for the kids. do you agree? >> greg: i do. >> bob: i think you're crazy. >> greg: funny that bob and i agree but for different reasons. fiscal cliff is a horrible med fore. i means the high grade leftism. what you get are massive cuts in defense. and higher taxes. that means the government expands without improving the one thing that works. so you are feeding obese fat man called the government who still isn't doing any good. what they are doing is blackmailing us. president obama is blackmailing saying if you don't do this, if you don't raise taxes on 2%, this is what will happen. >> eric: can i take issue with that? what if we don't go off the fiscal cliff? we are about sequestration later and do the game with the tax hike and spending cuts. we have the same thing? $20 trillion in the hole in four years, 25 trillion in nine years. nothing will change. this place is bankrupt. >> greg: president obama is obsessed with the 2
in the fiscal cliff debate. tax rates spike and spending slashed. congress is breaking for the holidays in two weeks. it could send the economy spinning in directions. $1.6 trillion in tax hikes. he will travel to pennsylvania to sell it to you. republicans aren't buying it. listen to house speaker, john boehner. >> despite the claims the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. >> democrats are firing right back at boehner. harry reid getting a little personal. >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him. okay? >> ouch. athena jones live from washington. same old same old. where do we go from here? >> that's the big question. the nice talk after the election is pretty much gone away. you mentioned one of the big sticking points, that's taxes. republicans and democrats can't agree on how to raise the tax revenue? end the bush tax cuts for the wealthy, close the loopholes, raise the capital gains taxes or all of the above. right now, they can't agree on how much money should be raised on the revenue side. let's listen to
washington needs to resolve this fiscal cliff issue if they don't want consumers to stop their spending ways. >> let me start with what's going on in washington. we've got this negotiation for the fiscal cliff. if we go over the fiscal cliff, what is the impact to your business? >> well, there would be an impact on consumption, for sure. so when it comes to puma or mainstream brands in america in sports, there will be a for sure some consequences in terms of consumption. but i see that as an investment for the future. so it might be a little bit different from some of other ceos. we have to get over the fiscal cliff. let's not delay the thing. it needs efforts. let's make them short for a better future. i think we should be ready as a corporation, being ready for maybe a year of difficult market, difficult situation in the market because that is a ceiling on our growth in terms of economical growth as to be released. it's really me an investment for the future. >> you're seeing a similar situation in france where we're talking about the possibility of capital gains taxes and dividend taxes g
is hurled head first off the fiscal cliff, the obama will spend 21 days golfing, body surfing and lunching to the tune of $4 million taxpayer dollars. you can't make stuff up. >> kimberly: that sounds good to me. >> dana: the reporters would have complained if they spent 21 days in waco. but 21 in hawaii could be worse. he said let's make sure we get it done before christmas. get it done on december 16, sign it, get out of town. >> eric: $4 million. >> bob: if he was in the bathroom at the white house it would cost $4 million. >> eric: december 17 to january 6. fiscal cliff hits december 31. smack dab in middle of this vacation. he snub hawaii, body surfing. >> kimberly: conduct unbecoming. he said in the last 30 days he got woke up in one debate. other than that, he is kicking it on the "the view." check me out. pinch with a limp. >> brian: i believe he knows it's his economy now. clearly. he goes on vacation. if this is done he is not body surfing. he knows he will be tortured and ongoing katrina. john boehner is frustrated after a closed door meeting with geithner. >> eric: brian's poin
the so-called fiscal cliff. >> you have to nail this down. uncertainty is killing us. >> reporter: top economists talked about the impact of tax increases and government spending cuts on the middle class. >> a couple thousand dollars, means a couple months rent for this family. >> reporter: the white house has made clear the country could go over the cliff, if republicans refused to raise taxes on the top 2% of american earners. >> for them to be burdened, unnecessarily, because democrats and republicans aren't coming together to solve this problem, gives you a sense of the costs involved in very personal terms. >> reporter: republican leaders say they will close loopholes loopholes and eliminate tax breaks to raise money. but insist that bush-era tax cuts must be extended for all americans. >> reporter: the standoff and the country's skyrocketing debt, concerns ryan shenecki. so much so that he's the guy in the suit, dancing gangnam style with former senator allen simpson. >> i'm keeping up on this baby. >> reporter: his group, the cankicksba
is the federal government spending under control. we continue to get closer to this incredible fiscal cliff and i think that the president should take a case study analysis and look at what president coolidge did and jfk, john f. kennedy when they went in and lowered tax rates and increased revenues, which is exactly what we're talking about. >> so either you've got a president who is tremendously overconfident after being reelected or someone who asks for the sty in the first offer knowing that he will look like the compromising once he gives in on the demands and gets himself involved in negotiations. >> both sides are waiting to see who is going to offer up the plan first, we're waiting on the white house. >> it's the president's job, isn't it? congress controls the purse strings and the white house is waiting for-- we're waiting for something from congress on their side and go back and forth, who puts up the offer first and it's the first salvo, so, michigan mcconnell laughs at it and timothy geithner hands it to them. this isn't real. >> i didn't know that first was the first offer. we have
. >>> call it the fiscal cliff follies, because with 28 days remaining before massive tax hikes and spending cuts kick in, democrats and republicans are ridiculing each other's ideas. it's a recipe for recession. the gop offering up its first plan which calls for $2.2 trillion in deficit savings over the next decade, including $800 billion in tax reforms, 600 million in medicare reforms and spending cuts. but the president rejected it outright because it does not contain tax hikes for the rich. time is running out. any sign of serious negotiation on the horizon? >> i'd say on the horizon, that would be fair. the log jam that you're watching, we're expecting to continued likely until next week. so don't be surprised if you see that. i think the policy prescriptions here, what needs to be done to find a package for deficit reduction are clear. right now you're watching the politics play out. all you need do is open your ears, listen to the white house, listen to congressional republicans you'll hear them playing the blame game. >> making vague promises about achieving revenue through capping d
isn't even a start. six governors, democrats, and republicans weigh in on the fiscal cliff today. what will they tell president obama about the spending cuts and tax increases now just 28 days away? >> we must reign in our out of control spending. >> reporter: republicans have an offer, $800 billion in new taxes, half what the president wanted. $600 billion saved in part by making americans wait until they're 67 to get medicare. plus more cuts totalling $2.2 trillion. but no tax hikes for the wealthy. >> that's just not going to happen. >> reporter: the pentagon could take the biggest hit from president obama told defense experts monday, don't worry. >> even as we make very tough fiscal choices, we're going to keep investing in these programs. >> reporter: he went online on youtube and twitter explaining why he thinks the rich should pay more. going over the fiscal cliff could cost america jobs. >> we're only expanding 2% right now. it needs to be considerably higher to bring more people off unemployment. >> reporter: for the jobless, president obama is asking congress for millions mor
are calling president obama's offer to get off the fiscal cliff ludicrous and absurd. they are insisting on spending cuts. president held a campaign rally, toy factory in pennsylvania. she characterizing the opposition as a handful of republicans who want to hold middle class tax cuts hostage. what happens if a deal does not get done in time? we'll look at what sequestration really means. it appears susan rice had access to the president's daily brief before she made her misleading statement about the cause of the september 11 attacks. now back to my colleagues at "the five." ♪ ♪ >> brian: this is a senior and has autism and other development issues and a t place kicker, which is extraordinary. having a rough season. but anthony led the team to upset victory. here is how it sounded. [ cheering ] >> brian: this game-winning field goal is a hit on youtube ever since. what is amazing, this kid loves rutgers. he used to sit in the stands. developmentally around 12 years old. going to high school and beloved by everybody. sitting in the stands watching rutgers play and watched rutgers win
there and it's called the fiscal cliff and will send us into recession but we may get deficit reduction but others believe we won't get spending cuts that we need. more will take place in defense which many argue does need to happen perhaps though not in the same way it does. we shall see. what's today's date? the fourth now. we're not too far. people say the 18th. we need to at least see something for the 21st. >> they're going on vacation with legislation. is that right? should they be able to take off? >> we should sequester their vacation. >> a great tweet this morning, jim. if you had a big project due at work, would you be going on vacation a week from tomorrow? >> let's say our bosses said we need you to finish this by year end. pal, man, i got a trip to st. bartz. what would they say? they would say stay down there. i don't like one of the defensive line guys that gets fired by the eagles. does he get to fly back from texas? we would fire these guys where they are, when they are on vacation. no. they get to take vacation without finishing their project. >> a couple good poll num
it the fiscal cliff because they don't want to e embrace either the tax increases or spending cuts and i think it's foolish to think this congress can come up with a better deal. >> you know what's interesting, to eric's point, there is a great irony in this that the democrats are saying we've got to raise taxes and the fiscal cliff does both. just not in the way anybody wants it, so if they can't do that, how are they going to find a way they can all agree on? >> the superfailed committee. this is a giant hatchet as opposed to a scalpel. >> it was designed to fail. >> i agree, but the real solution and real irony is going to be the ultimate deal's going to look like the obama boehner grand bargain that was negotiated and almost done in the summer of 2011. the fact that we couldn't make that deal then i think's a tragedy for the country. one of the thing's it did was lead to that aaa downgrading. that was unnecessary. >> let me just follow up on this point of what republicans should accept. you said you'd go back to the clinton era tax rates if you could get the spending that went with it. the
of the fiscal cliff negotiations. the mortgage interest deduction. government spending on this will reach $100 million by 2014, making it the third largest tax break on the books. who does it help? 41 million people. the most recent irs data showed that 41 million people claimed this deduction on their 2010 tax returns. the tax policy center says it tends to benefit upper middle class families the most. these bars show income in the circles the average savings. for those with incomes of less than $40,000 a year, their savings is $91, look at the people who make $250,000 and more. their average savings is about $5500. this benefits people most on both coasts and cities like chicago, with higher property prices, and we watch the fiscal cliff negotiations closely for what could happen next to this tax goody next year. >> here's the question i'm hearing people ask, if we go off the cliff here, how big a hit will we take on taxs? stand by, because i'm about to give you the closest answer i possibly can. to help me with that is laurie montgomery, she is the fiscal policy reporter for the washington
of spending cuts so far. and unless there is, there's a real danger of going off the fiscal cliff. >> a reporter asked senate majority leader harry reid about speaker boehner's comments. >> he says that democrats have got to get serious about cuts, spending cuts. where is the disconnect then? >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him. okay? >> and, of course, another day more republicans dumping grover norquist. among nebraska and is iowa republicans, most of them told the world herald this week they could support a broad budget agreement, even if the deal ends up including higher tax revenues. i won't have a problem with letting those tax rates go up, representative mike simpson said to reuters. but new york congressman chris gibson found the most creative way out of his relationship with grover. his spokesman released a statement reading, the congressman signed the pledge as a candidate in 2010 for the 20th congressional district. carson gibson doesn't plan to re-sign it for the 19th congressional district, which he now represents. the pledge is to your constituents
to zoraida sambolin for an update on the day's top stories. >> soledad, the fiscal cliff debacle, with 28 days remaining before drastic tax hikes and spending cuts take effect, a republican spending plan has been rejected by the white house. brianna keilar is live from washington. what now, brianna? >> well, right now it's about the pressure building and the clock kicking, zoraida. as house republicans in the white house try to ultimately broker a deal between two very different plans. house speaker john boehner's counteroffer, if you take a look at the headlines from this $800 billion in what would be savings from tax reform. so that is new tax revenue. but not done by increasing income tax rate on the wealthiest. but instead by closing tax loopholes, eliminating tax credits. and also $600 billion in health savings. that's what you'd get from entitlement reform. from reforming medicare, and doing some cuts there under this plan. but compare it to the white house plan, very different than what's on the table there. $1.6 trillion in new taxes. that is two times the amount in the boehner pl
in the deadlocked talks to avert the so-called fiscal cliff, the devastating combinations of tax increase and spending cuts that kick in january 1st. both sides seem to dig in this morning on the sunday talk shows. >> the only thing standing in the way of that would be a refusal by republicans that the rates would have to go up on the wealthiest americans, and i don't really see them doing it. >> right now, i would say we're nowhere, period, we're nowhere. >> that somber assessment today from house speaker john boehner, as geithner, the point man, went on all five sunday talk shows, cnbc, washington correspondent aman javers joining me live now. did geithner offer anything new today? >> he really didn't. he thinks the republicans are bluffing here and they are not prepared to go all the way to the mat here on behalf of tax cuts for the rich. they think at the white house they've got their republicans backed into a political corner here, and they are really pressing their advantage hard. you saw this sort of breathtaking offer by the president of the united states last week when he offered
with a plan on how he wants to avert the fiscal cliff. it is irresponsible of us not to deal with the spending issue and simply to push for raising taxes on hard-working american people. many of us come from small- business backgrounds -- family owned businesses. we understand the situation very well. but it isn't -- it is important we not pass this problem along to our children and grandchildren, but we deal with it in a responsible way. the republicans have come forward with a responsible plan and will continue to do that and look for ways to keep us from going over this fiscal cliff. >> we have time for a couple questions before we go to our meeting. >> your colleague has told other colleagues that it is time to vote to extend the middle-class tax cut -- i want to get your take on his comments. more importantly, is this the direction the conference is going? >> i told tom earlier that i disagree with him. he is a wonderful friend and a great supporter of mine, but raising taxes on the so-called top 2%, half as taxpayers are small business owners who pay their taxes with personal income tax
. ♪ host: we will spend about two hours this morning on the "washington journal" talking about the fiscal cliff. we want to start off hearing from you on a different topic. what do you think about hillary clinton's future and her running for president in 2016? that is our question this morning on the "washington journal." you can start dialing in now, or you can contact us via social media. you can make a comment on our facebook page. you can also send us an e-mail. from "the hill" newspaper yesterday -- a new poll by abc news and "the washington post." 57% say they support a presidential bid from every clinton in 2016. -- from hillary clinton in 2016. 68% approved of her work as secretary of state. 66% hold a favorable view of clinton after her department has faced criticism over the handling of benghazi and libya. clinton also has heavy support in new york were 54% of registered voters say they would support a presidential bid by her in 2016. that is an "the hill" newspaper. we have lots of facebook comments already on this question. we want to share a couple of those with thieu. jackie
are headed here to washington today to tell president obama their thoughts on the fiscal cliff. the bipartisan group says both sides need to work together to avoid the tax increases and spending cuts due to kick in at the end of the year. >> no one's going to get what they want, but as a country to move forward, we've got to figure out who gives where, and if everything is going to be out on the table, how do we negotiate that? >> reporter: republicans have given a counterproposal to the president's plan which he issued last week. they say their plan would cut $2.2 trillion from the federal deficit over ten years. with $600 billion in health care cuts, $300 billion in cuts to mandatory spending and another $300 billion in cuts to other federal spending. the biggest difference between the republican plan and the president's remains taxes and how the government can generate more revenue to pay down the debt. >> rates have to rise on the top 2%. there's no other way to do it. >> reporter: president obama says his plan will raise taxes on the rich, bringing in $1.6 trillion. republ
'll turn now to the fiscal cliff, 30 days from an economy-crippling deadline. where everyone's taxes go up and massive spending cuts kick in. yet, talks seem to be going nowhere. treasury secretary timothy geithner will be the guest on "this week" with george stephanopoulos. george is with us now. good morning, george. >> last weekend, you sat right here and you said that you were reasonably optimistic that a deal could be afoot. in the intervening week, we have seen a lot of trash-talking from both sides, can we still be somewhat hopeful? >> this week was a rough week in these negotiations. treasury secretary geithner when he went up to capitol hill, on thursday, the senate republican leader mitch mcconnell laughed when he got the offer from tim geithner. they think it's an offer that doesn't show any rules towards compromise. house speaker john boehner said that the talks are at a stalemate. there seems to be a huge divide. democrats said they're not going to make another move until republicans clearly say they're going to go for an increase in tax rates. republicans aren't prepared to m
is spending. no one wants to talk about spending. the fiscal cliff is a bipartisan compromise that would do draconian cuts in the budget they never wanted in the first place. it's foolish to think congress will have a plan to fix things when congress designed the plan they are trying to fix. >> some democrats say entitlements can be on the table but should deal with long-term reform afterwards. here's what senator dick durbin said yesterday on "starting point." >> entitlements need to be part of the long-term strategy but do it in a thoughtful way. i don't want to see major changes decided in the heat of the moment. let's get through the fiscal cliff, find a way to avert it. but at the end of the day treat it as the important program it is for so many millions of americans. >> eric, if we get a deal, how much kicking of the can down the road do you think that deal will inclu include? >> i think it will include significant kicking the can down the road which is why they should kick the entire deal down the road and deal with it together. we know it won't from happen history. we have had 18 o
. the concern is well founded. >> and my thanks to john wattson. >>> political posturing on the fiscal cliff from leading republicans and democrats alike. >> i remain hopeful that productive conversations can be had in the days ahead. but the white house has to get serious. >> we have made our proposal. let them come forward with something. >> find out what senate majority leader harry reid's nevada constituents are saying about his performance. >>> also, is it time for the u.s. to join the ranks and put $1 billis to rest in favor of a $1 coin? believe it or not, people feel passionate about this issue. our heated debate is coming next. stay with us. system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. information on my phone. connection to doctors who get where i'm from. and tools to estimate what my care may cost. so i never missed a beat. we're more than 78,000 people looking out for more than 70 million americans. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. when you take a closer look... ...at the best schools in the world... ...you see they all have so
some of wednesday's events regarding the fiscal cliff. tax increases and spending cuts that will go into effect unless congress acts. first, a bloomberg government form. in an hour, president obama speaks to ceo's at a business roundtable. followed by a news conference with john boehner. several live events to tell you about tomorrow morning. talking about housing issues and the agency's budget. here on c-span at 10:00 eastern. on c-span two, 9:00 a.m. eastern, a news briefing at the pentagon. also, a senate commerce subcommittee on the impact of hurricane sandy and transportation systems in the northeast, on c-span 3 at 10:30 a.m. eastern. >> we have had these explosions of knowledge in medicine but we have not coordinated care. all of these have some in the cracks that they are as harmful as the disease is treated. you have to ask, are we hurting people overall on a global level that's what are we doing sometimes? now we have got the report saying 30% of everything we do may not be necessary in health care. when we step back, 30% of all the medications we prescribe, the procedures
when we look at the fiscal cliff and everything else in terms of actual cuts in spending, everybody recoils in horror because they know it implies. >> you made your point, though, we surrendered to fdr, and instead of supplementing people, instead of letting them earn their own success, we're going to somehow try to deal with outcome rather than opportunity and pay for it. and you want to pay for -- >> no, i don't. >> in a fairer society. what you see as a fairer society. >> i didn't say it was a fairer society. but chris brought up an important point. and i want people to talk about the "wall street journal" today. we're not talking about cutting spending, not talking about cutting growth rates, which is a huge difference, one reason why people like me look at former presidential candidate mitt romney talk about npr or planned parenthood. the number one answer for balancing the budget is foreign aid. which if you really wanted to balance the budget and you don't always have to go to the department of justice or whatever it may be. but over the next ten years, 90% of federal outlays
back the cliff, the tax increases and spending cuts. the second is the debt ceiling. and the third thing is the path to fiscal sustainability, the long-term deficit reduction, tax reform, reforms to the entitlement programs that get to us a stable g.d.p. in the future. and that has to all be done at once. i don't think you can do this in parts. >> schieffer: let me ask the question which i'm sure there is no answer to, but what do you all think is most likely to happen? >> i think we're going to go over the cliff for a couple weeks, fingers crossed, we're then going to have a deal because there will be a political reset allowing both sides to be able to make nice with their caucuses and still make some progress on the issues of both begunnering more revenue and doing entitlement reform. >> i feel like a two-part deal this includes the republicans agreeing to a rate increase but allowing them a bookdoor to explain how to get out of that in the future which gives them a way to vote for tax rate increase will be very have, hard to do. >> schieffer: you think in the end they'll do that
up, we're one month away from the fiscal cliff and so far the white house and congressional republicans are still in disagreement over how to reduce the deficit and avoid a raft of tax hikes and spending cuts. yesterday our own jim cramer and maria bartiromo were on "meet the press" and cramer had a message for fellow panelists and father of the anti-tax pledge, grover norquist. >> most ceos are republican. they're on board. they're not on board with you. they're not on board with you because they fear your view. they think you do not favor going -- you favor going over the cliff. that's what they think. they think that you favor -- >> just for the record since we're on tv. that's silly if they think that they shouldn't be ceos. >> it doesn't really matter. that's what they think. >> i want you to walk me up to that moment. >> behind the record. i like that too. >> i'm stuck. like grover is stuck with this pledge he made everybody take which is that they have to go over the cliff because they obviously will not ever say the word tax. they will only say revenue. i'm stuck spe
is assuming unprecedented power to spend taxpayer dollars without any limit at all. >> even as the fiscal cliff negotiations drag on in washington, wall street seems to be basically unphased. the dow jones has slipped only about 200 points since the election. why isn't wall street more on edge itself? william cohen is the author of "money and power, hold goldman sachs came to rule the world." the labor department came out with the applications for unemployment aid saying it fell sharply for the last week and stocks basically opened flat this morning as we've seen. some of that has to do more with europe than it does with washington. but what is your reasoning for why wall street hasn't displayed more of an impact from this fiscal cliff nonsense? >> thomas, what wall street hates most of all is uncertainty and it's counterintuitive, there's actually plenty of certainty now. what's going to be certain is taxes are going up. either we go off the cliff or the curb and then taxes rise for everybody and then maybe they get repealed for the middle class and others or we reach a deal and taxes go
the fiscal cliff? do you think we will go over it? what does it mean? we get taxes, will be cut. no, taxes will go up. spend willing be cut. everyone wants, almost everybody wants spending to be cut. what do you think will happen? >> let's look at wall street. what might happen to the 401(k)s or the stocks. last week, boehner said nothing is happening and stocks would plummet. somebody else would say something going on behind the scenes and stocks go up. this is tremendous volatility. this time of year we get santa claus rally, the stocks will rally until the end of the year. but if the taxes go on, on capital gains and dividends, people will start to sell now to have the better, more preferential tax treatment than afterwards. we may see selling in first of the year. >> eric: long-term, think long-term. once we get past that. what will the effect be? what if taxes on dividends go up? >> this is incredible disincentive. especially on the capital gains. to take the risk of investing. when you say long-term, long-term, if you don't need the money you invest in stock market. if you need it in
to go over the fiscal cliff. there will be some sort of resolution. they'll come up with some tax cuts, some breaks in spending, and probably kick the can down the road on a lot of it. i love the way this market is acting. it's not selling off with all the bad news, all the bickering, all the bad words on each side. you've got to love the way that this market is holding up here. doesn't mean investors need to be carefree, but overall, it looks like the market is setting up with a lot of negative sentiment out there. looks like there's a lot of opportunity for a big run higher once we get some form of resolution. i really believe we're going to get it. >> you think by year end? >> i really do. i think they want to go home for christmas. they're not going to want to not go home for christmas. you can always count on politicians to do the right thing when all other options have been exploited. they're going to finally get there because they have to. they're not going to solve 100% of it right away. >> jump in, abbigail. >> i think it's too early to be bearish or bullish, for that matter.
, we should actually have them not leave washington until they fix the fiscal cliff. at least let's fix the fiscal cliff and make sure that american families aren't faced with possible larger tax bills come january. >> wouldn't it just make you feel better if you didn't feel the real reason we'll get a fiscal cliff resolution, whether it's a little tinkering or something bigger, wasn't because they actually wanted to be home on christmas? >> i think that they absolutely should try to get this done. i certainly don't think they should go home before the situation is resolved. but i also think that when you are looking at what kind of congress we want, we want a responsive congress. we want a congress rooted in american communities, not inside the beltway. >> look, you just want mondays and fridays off, too, and your trying to make the argument to the national review as to why that is better. >> americans want their leaders to work, period. >> thanks to both of you. we appreciate it. of course, we want all your feedback. >>> next, the billionaire software tycoon john mcafee is wanted in t
stories in the mix at the moment. the big story is still and will remain the fiscal cliff. every time a policymaker on capitol hill or in the white house makes a speech about this or a station to the media, the markets move very aggressively. yes, there is a case in point where boehner and obama said there was progress that could be made towards a compromise. the markets turn around to 220 points on the dow. but on 20 points and the dow having been down 110 closed up 106 points. that's because john boehner said they could well be some progress on a compromise. that flies in the face of harry reid saying little progress is made. that is what is driving the u.s. markets and the global markets as well. the fed's beige book says there is a tepid growth. you have the housing market against that manufacturing and superstorm sandy. interesting stats expected out of the auto sectors. this could be good news. we think there may ab a pace of somewhere in the region of 15.2 million cars sold in november. the fact is that americans got very old fleet of cars. the average age of car now is 11 year
with brooking news on the looming fiscal cliff. for the past few nights we've been telling you about the frustrating lack of progress to avert a deal on automatic tax hikes and spending cuts that kick in less than four weeks from now. poll after poll shows the american people want compromise but there weren't many signs that was going to happen, nothing was getting done. in a cnn/crc poll, 67% said washington officials would behave like spoiled children in the fiscal cliff discussions. only 28% said they would behave like adults. tonight signs that maybe some adult behavior might be prevail and a compromise might be reached. jessica yellen joins us, dana bash and david gergen. what's the latest? >> reporter: they are a long way from a deal, but late today speaker boehner and president obama did speak to one another on the phone. now, this is an important development because it's the first time they've talked in a week about the fiscal cliff. i am told, though, that there was no real progress in negotiations. in this sense there was no breakthrough on that central point of tax rates.
months of hearing about the fiscal cliff, there are no signs of a compromise plan. let's bring in senior congressional correspondent miss dana bash. dana? republicans say president obama's opening offer is, you know, all take and no give here. do they feel like the president is wasting their time? >> reporter: yes. they do. and, you know, a lot of times when we see this kind of toing and froing in public, don, it masks what is really going on behind the scenes, which is real negotiating. so i asked that question of john boehner, who has been through this kind of negotiating many, many times over many years, if that's what we're seeing or if we're at a stalemate. listen to this . the past 24 hours, is this the necessary public posturing that needs to go on to get an endgame or is there serious stalemate right now? >> there is a stalemate. let's not kid ourselves. i'm not trying to make this more difficult, but if you watched me over the last three weeks, i've been very girded in what i have to say because i don't want to make it harder for me or the president or members of both parties to
hill as the fiscal cliff looms now just 32 days away. house speaker john boehner says no progress has been made in two weeks of talks, and republicans want the white house to come up with significant spending cuts. senate democratic leader harry reid responded to boehner saying, quote, i don't understand his brain, unquote. >>> when those talks over the fiscal cliff seem to be heading towards a stalemate but do the capitol hill theatrics tell the whole story? here's thousand politico summed it up, listen to top democrats and republicans talk on camera and it sounds like they could not be further apart. but behind the scenes top officials who have been involved in the talks for many months say the contours of the deal are starting to take shape. well, joining me are jason johnson a political professor, t and a republican strategist ron bonjene, ron, let's start with you, both sides know they'll have to make a deal. one congressman says to get it there has to look like this was fighting this way it's kind of like managing the public's expectati expectations, oh, we didn't give anything,
right now. >>> our country will be heading over the fiscal cliff that we ourselves dug and put in our way. it's the set of automatic spending cuts and tax hikes that can only be averted if our nation's leaders are able to display bear bones competence and middle school-level maturity. so is there a deal? >> there's, of course, no deal. >> of course! is there a prospect for a deal? >> there's not a prospect for a deal. >> of course! but the ongoing talks. >> there aren't even very many talks going on. >> you're killing us! give us something. >> but for the first time, there are numbers on pieces of paper from both sides. >> numbers on paper! >>> good morning. it's wednesday, december 5th. welcome to "morning joe." live in the nation's capital. this is exciting. and you know, i said, let's do a show from washington, d.c., because they get so much stuff done there. it's like silicon valley. and going there when steve jobs was really bringing apple to the forefront -- >> a happening place. >> it is. it's where things happen. that's why we're here, steve rattner. >> washington is the place
own party some quite comfortable with the sending his party over the fiscal cliff. two 6 ago had a comfortable conversation and the white house. i would say two thanks. despite declines the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have it to its various a barrel spending cuts. secondly, no progress has been made in the talks over the last a of weeks. this is not a game. jobs are on the line. the american economy is on the line. this is a moment for american leadership. it is the way ticket it done until washington. a mature0 lead and a had a meeting with his secretary. it was frank and d -- it was frank and direct. we saw to find out what the president is really willing to do. i remain hopeful that productive conversations can be made it into the it is ahead. elicited a leadership team met with a risk in bull's and leadership is above the business approach the warehouse as an annoyance. i have made clear that we have made the concessions on the line by putting ravenna's up front. many democrats grow up dozens of booklets that must be part of a sensible agreement that
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